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2003-01-24 - 3:14 a.m. We are born atheists until someone tells us to believe otherwise. At some point in our lives, everyone - you, me, Jerry Falwell - have or had minds of our own. When one makes the transition to becoming a christian, they check their minds of their own at the church door and forget to claim it when they leave, and it's forever in the hands of other people claiming to have the "truth." And people wonder why I'm an atheist. One of the symptoms of Fundie-itis, a degenerative logic-robbing condition contracted in this mental coitus of free will and prepackaged religious dogma, is chronic confusion of one's perception with irrefutable reality. Observe Part One of this exhibition. OnlineHost: *** You are in "Life - �Fundies�Anonymous�". *** OnlineHost: Cargobill has entered the room. Cargobill: New Brainwave States Discovered Cargobill: Lay physicist Julian Barbour recently wrote "The End of Time" Cargobill: Another wrote, "The Holographic Universe" Cargobill: David Bohm friend and contemporary of Einstien spoke about the implicate and explicate orders. Kaku wrote "Hyperspace" Cargobill: What subjective and vested interests are keeping you from realizing the interdimensional nature of life and reality? Thats the question. Cargobill: Jesus said this, "In my fathers house there are many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you..." Cargobill: If "house" is a metaphore, then so to is "mansions". Cargobill: Mansions...di mensions...dominon Cargobill: Siddartha, (The Buddha) " The mind is everything,what you think you become" Cargobill: Proverbs, "As a man thinketh, so he is" Cargobill: Psalms 82:6 "ye are gods..." Cargobill: "Isaiah 40:22, He sitteth upon the circle of the earth. Cargobill: He...hangeth the earth on nothing, job 26:7" Cargobill: From Genesis onward through the millenia of scripture we read how God has always saved, and thru the means of atonement Cargobill: In Exodus... Cargobill: 26And when your children ask you, 'What do you mean by this observance?' 27you shall say, 'It is the passover sacrifice to the LORD Cargobill: for he passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt, when he struck down the Egyptians but spared our houses.' " Cargobill: Leviticus 17:11 "The blood is the life of the flesh, and I have given it to you to make atonement for sins" Cargobill: Leviticus 16 is about the ritual of the "Scapegoat". OnlineHost: Cargobill has left the room. OnlineHost: Cargobill has entered the room. Cargobill: Quantum Physics is supporting ancient spiritual teaching, and eroding the athiests foundation from beneath them Satanic Pokemon: what? Satanic Pokemon: What the hell is this crap? Cargobill: Truth Satanic Pokemon: Says who? Cargobill: Say the seekers thereof Satanic Pokemon: And those would be? Cargobill: "It is often stated tht of all the theories proposed in this century the siliest is Quantum Theory. Cargobill: In fact some say the only thing Quantum Physics has going for it, is that is unquestionably correct." Professor of Physics Michio Kaku Cargobill: Kaku for one, Einstien was another Satanic Pokemon: ... Cargobill: David Bohm Cargobill: Julian Barbour....there are many Satanic Pokemon: "So-and-so believes in God! Therefore, God exists!" Cargobill: Any creation indicates a creator of it, no matter wht kind of creation, nor how long it took to create.... Satanic Pokemon: Anywho, where is your proof of this god of yours? Cargobill: Creation for one, yo and I for another Cargobill: We are created in his image Satanic Pokemon: *clears throat* proof? Satanic Pokemon: I didn't ask for what was supposedly created. I was asking for proof. Cargobill: You want proof of the invisible? Satanic Pokemon: Did you take biology? Satanic Pokemon: They should have covered biogenesis. Satanic Pokemon: If you want to take that process and call it god, knock yourself out. But why come in here preaching? Cargobill: You want what, like clinical evidence? Effect of (Distance) Prayer on Health Cargobill: Because something is invisible you say it doesn't exist? Satanic Pokemon: Well, no. Satanic Pokemon: Gravity is invisible, but it exists. Satanic Pokemon: We can prove it exists, though. Satanic Pokemon: Air is invisible, and we know it exists. Cargobill: So the only thing that remains is to experience the Spirit of God then for you tobelieve Cargobill: Have you ever picked up a new testament and without bias or any vested interests at heart, read it? Satanic Pokemon: I don't know, did you read it without bias? Christianity teaches you not to question anything, and I question anything I read. Satanic Pokemon: If you didn't question it, you read it biased. Satanic Pokemon: And yes, I have read the bible. Cargobill: I question of course, thats how we learn, curiosity. I picked up a bible for the first time when I was 18 and read it. Satanic Pokemon: So you read it as you would any other book, written by me or anyone else? Cargobill: Explain to me then, why I met and fell in love with Jesus, because of both his words, and his works, and you didn't? Satanic Pokemon: I can't answer that. You're the one making the positive assertion. Cargobill: No one...I have ever read before or since has said the things Jesus said, nor did. Cargobill: You and I both read the same things? Satanic Pokemon: And how much of the bible did jesus christ write personally? Cargobill: Who cares Satanic Pokemon: If he didn't write it, then why are you saying he said it? Cargobill: Why are you not? Cargobill: Its not who wrote it, its what He said Satanic Pokemon: Why am I not saying he said it? He didn't write it, so you can't say it's the direct word of the man with whose words you're in love. Cargobill: You read with bias, and with a closed mind and heart Cargobill: bottom line Satanic Pokemon: When you read a newspaper, any of the quotes can be misquoted. Since 90 percent of the people in his day were illiterate, and it's been translated from one language to another, you can't tell me it's the direct word of god. Case closed. Cargobill: What is writ is more beautiful than anything else I ever read Satanic Pokemon: Jesus Christ was illiterate, too. Satanic Pokemon: Okay, that's your opinion. But you're going to have to seperate your opinion from the truth. Cargobill: Jesus when brought before Pilate spoke of those who are "of the 'truth" Cargobill: The Cargobill: Truth says this Cargobill: "If you seek me you will find me, if you seek me with all your heart" Cargobill: You would find that in the bible too Satanic Pokemon: Cargo: You read it with bias. You went in buying every single word of it without questioning, just like every raving fundie before and after you. Cargobill: Are you really a seeker? Satanic Pokemon: You're not telling me anything new. Satanic Pokemon: Okay, what is a "seeker" Cargobill: I had no idea what Iwas going to read before hand Cargobill: What is a seeker? Cargobill: Curiosity for one makes a seeker Satanic Pokemon: A "seeker" can be someone looking for jesus or someone looking for anonymous sex at a freeway rest stop. We need to be specific. Cargobill: Desire for Truth makes a seeker of it Cargobill: Right, those who seek the Truth Satanic Pokemon: Okay, but that's assuming the stuff you believe is the truth, and you can't prove it is. So, who's saying it's the truth, besides you and whatever other names that say the same without any of them showing any proof? Satanic Pokemon: "Albert Einstein says there's a god, so there's a god." Cargobill: Jesus said this, "Guard your heart with all diligence for out of it springs forth the issues of life" Cargobill: Life is an affair of the heart Satanic Pokemon: "Haim A. Dumass of Provo, Utah says there's a god, so there's a god." Cargobill: Not the wallet of the particular sex organ...the heart the soul, and the invisible Satanic Pokemon: Okay, what's the difference between what Jesus said and...say, what Socrates said? Cargobill: Jesus also quoted psalms 82:6 "yeare gods" Cargobill: we are created in His image Satanic Pokemon: Oh wait, you didn't fall in love with the works of Socrates. Cargobill: Socrates and others talked about the Truth.......but it becomes obvious to the one with an open and unbiased heart, that Jesus is the Truth Cargobill: God is Truth Satanic Pokemon: So if you're asking if I'm a "seeker," defining a "seeker" as someone who aspires to be a christian sheep, then my answer is no. Next question? Cargobill: You are a sheep Cargobill: You are just following the wrong shepherd Satanic Pokemon: Okay, if I'm a sheep, who's the shepherd? Cargobill: all are sheep like it or not JoYciE BeAr: everyone is sheep but it's up to us which shepherd we follow Cargobill: spiritually, and in respect to eternity, you have no teeth, you have no claws...you are in fact sheep Cargobill: People leave this dimesnion all the time unexpectedly Cargobill: say Baaaa JoYciE BeAr: baaaa Cargobill: You think you are your own shepherd Cargobill: but, human nature is sinful and fallen Satanic Pokemon: Figuratively speaking, yes. Satanic Pokemon: What is "sin?" Cargobill: That wil lbecome all too evident to you when you leave this dimension, if not before Cargobill: I suggest to you, learn before Satanic Pokemon: what will become evident? JoYciE BeAr: you are your own shepherd but depending on how you choose to live your life, you choose a different shepherd Cargobill: You wrong choices in life in respect to eternity Satanic Pokemon: And you still haven't answered by question. Cargobill: the dimension apart from time Satanic Pokemon: What is "sin?" Cargobill: Sin is selfish for one OnlineHost: Rubicon of Tears has entered the room. Cargobill: people want to blame wars on relgion sometimes Rubicon of Tears: Hello again. Cargobill: Try human nature Rubicon of Tears: Oh. Cargobill: Hi Tears Rubicon of Tears: Oh my. Satanic Pokemon: Um, yes....religion is to blame for most wars in history. Rubicon of Tears: Willikers, looks like I'm needed. Rubicon of Tears: Nah, not most. Rubicon of Tears: But if any, that's enough. Satanic Pokemon: Human nature....if that is sin, then is it not natural to suppress it? Rubicon of Tears: For a useless appendage, a cantankerous growth on the psyche of man. Cargobill: Rally Satanic? Little o do with um, lessee...lust for power and territory, percieved injustices and revenge......hate? Satanic Pokemon: Rubicon, we finally have some fundies in here :) Rubicon of Tears: Huzzah! Satanic Pokemon: True, but religion is a justification for the war. Cargobill: Human Nature Satanic Pokemon: We wouldn't have killed off the Indians if they were christians, would we? Cargobill: The Truth transcends religion Cargobill: you are talking about human nature Rubicon of Tears: Human Nature: Is irrelevant. Either there are urges we must suppress, or there are not. Rubicon of Tears: Either we are sinful for not suppressing these urges, or we are sinful in enacting dark impulses from another source. Rubicon of Tears: Either way, doesn't matter. Satanic Pokemon: If sin is human nature, then it is unnatural to suppress sinful urges. Cargobill: Indians, I think it had to do with territory, how about you, and the fact that the more powerful overcoming the weaker is part of human existance Rubicon of Tears: If you're not a decent person, it's your own damn fault. Cargobill: and fallen human nature Rubicon of Tears: To hell with "human nature." Cargobill: exactly Rubicon Cargobill: wellsaid Rubicon of Tears: Thank you much, sir. Satanic Pokemon: Rubicon, don't mind him. He's confusing his opinions and perception with "truth." No need to bother reasoning with him. Satanic Pokemon: That's a cue for me to quit, too. OnlineHost: Cargobill has left the room. Part Two OnlineHost: *** You are in "Life - �Fundies�Anonymous�". *** OnlineHost: Rawlings222 has entered the room. Satanic Pokemon: Hey kids! God doesn't exist! Rawlings222: how do you know satanic Satanic Pokemon: Because Santa Claus told me so Rawlings222: santa doesnt exist Satanic Pokemon: Oh, my bad. Rawlings222: drugs are bad Satanic Pokemon: Yup. It's the CRACK Satanic Pokemon: DOH! Rawlings222: do you use drugs as a cover up Satanic Pokemon: You know one of the telltale signs of Fundie-itis is the inability to recognize dry, sarcastic humor. *No Response* In conclusion, if you are like any of these people, you may have fundie-itis. Soon, you'll be growing wool and start saying "baa!" like these poor saps. � Most recent rants! Queer Eye For The Savior Guy - 2003-08-02To whom it may concern... - 2003-06-25 Getting in touch with my inner deity - 2003-06-13 Jesus In Drag - 2003-06-11 Heathen Sunday - 2003-05-20
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